so, i know there are some from my congregation or from bethel who monitor my posts..... maybe you're looking for something to catch me out?.
just a question: rather than trying to find fault with me, have you stopped and looked into the issues or facts about the organisation that caused me to come to a place like this forum??.
facts are there for anyone to find nowadays....one just has to be willing to pull their head out of the sand.....
Unquestionably anyone monitoring a persons posts from a congregation or bethel, whose mind isn't opened by the exposure of false doctrine or whose heart isn't moved by the painstaking suffering the organisation has caused so many of its once loyal members, should question themselfs why?
The Rebel.
i miss you.
you were supposed to be a hope in bad times.
when i was in my darkest hour you weren't there.
But Phizzy, we must get past the anger of leaving and think in now to our death is not long....and I don't want to be an ex-witness with anger . Personally I now think when I die it is the end of my existence, so I think my revenge to the W.T is to loose my anger and disalusiment and enjoy learning to spell.......translation life is a happy famIly life which the W.T hasn't taken from me....but it was a long fight.
The Rebel.
i miss you.
you were supposed to be a hope in bad times.
when i was in my darkest hour you weren't there.
Punk.... That was such a sincere O.P.
I think we once bought into the idea of God, and we created or had created for us the character " JEHOVER" , and the less questioning we did about this creator the more he existed.
Punk once upon a time you replied to my O.P with a video of who I believe your real self is.That was a video of yourself as a punk rocker on stage ....now that is the punk who I like as a person, not the rebellious ex-witness who lost his faith in God....So what I am saying is in our society we don't need 2,3,4 or five sides to say " Dear God" exists or not, our life is more important than that...and PUNK, I think you are a great poster and the way I see it is the W.T society is like our mum and dad, they had a huge " negative" effect on my past, but not on my future ....
The Rebel :- Dear God, I am me and I may not be who you wish me to be, but I am me and Iam different from your Watchtower followers so I left them. I hope you exist and accept me for who Iam, but believing in you through the W.T interpretion has made me a unhappy person, so I have chosen to be me, and the W.T has made me believe you don't exist, but you are always welcome to reveal yourself to me...if not its your fault not mine"
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basically because they feel they are not being blessed.. this is not to say that all gb members feel this way.
the power hungry ones love getting the whip out.
the other members incorrectly look to the old testament for answers.. they are telling the sheep to be faithful, dedicated, self sacrificing, serving to the fullest, whole hearted and obedient.
DJS " The dark lords are following...."
The Rebel : D B " but the little green wheels are FOLLOWING me, Oh no not again...I never done good things, I never done bad things....I never did anything out of the blue....
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i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......
Ex -Witnesses be the envy of all your friends, with an eloquent addition to your living room mantlepiece, purcase a signed copy of " Crisis of conscience" in Japanecse.
And what ever language the book is written in it "will have tears rolling down your eyes". because the fact is the tears were already bottled up before we started reading it, and those tears are because the Ed Dunlops are in every congregation and every Bethel today, just waiting to be kicked out....it's not words in books that make us rebel against the W.T it's the cold calculating behaviour and luck of love that we witness from its followers.
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i tend to avoid the subject because it's too depressing, so i've probably missed lots of discussion about this issue.
but i read a comment on youtube yesterday that shocked me and made me wonder.
the person claimed that many years ago abusers in society generally identified jws as a safe haven for abusers and joined en masse order to exploit the situation.
Slimboyfat O.P." Is there evidence for networks of abuse?
The Rebel (A) when I was leaving the W.T, I mentiond with supportive evidence to a " friend" elder child molestation problems in the organisation, his defensive and emotional reply " would I be in an organisation like that? My reply was " you are"
What I learnt from that conversation was how easy it was for this " friend" elder to deny all the evidence I mentiond. So whilst I found your O.P sensational and not supported by evidence, the question is worth being asked.
Personally I believe any organisation that is so secret and un-cooperative with its policies on child abuse as the Watchtower could be a prime target for such networks to exist. This is why I am glad the figures on child molesters in the organisation have been revealed and are no longer secret. I am also sure your question " Is there evidence of networks of abuse" is a question those conducting royal commission enquirers , and police forces who investigate child molestation in the W.T organisation are also concerned about.
The Rebel.
i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......
Olivia Wilde: O.P " Crises of conscience"
Nathen Nat ass " Was it because you had tears in your eyes that you got the title of the book wrong?
The Rebel, (A) The meaning of the name Olivia is piece. It doesn't matter how you spell peace, it's something inside you and I hope you find it Olivia.
The Rebel.
p.s Nathan Natas, The " In Search of Crispy Chicken" comment made me laugh.
i have enjoyed some fascinating debates on the forum.
i have found it interesting when" facts" have been presented to support a viewpoint, yet the " facts" have then been rejected.. what does this mean?.
well the " truth" is as a dub, i was often presented with " facts" that the organisation was wrong, yet as this information challenged my belief system i convinced myself the " facts" were either completely wrong or misinterpreted, .
Interesting 2nd post DJS.
But rather than go back to the first 85,000 years of human existence,I would like to answer why I believe the modern day witness does not accept facts.
My answer is that the modern day witness believes facts come from people who are very good at making speeches, and always wear a tie. Of course the presented " facts" have to then come from Watchtower publications or the Kingdom Hall, and further more the people that proclaim these "facts" need to speak nicely to us, and skake our hands whilst we lick there boots or should I say backside,ect,ect....
Anyway I have learnt we do not need to be exstemly intelligent to understand a fact. In fact on this broad in my opinion facts are usually presented by posters in one sentence rather than many long sentences that confuse, and are often as gibberish as listening to a Gibbon.
The Rebel.
p.s. Thanks for all the replys which I enjoyed reading.
as i mentioned in another post i used to serve as an elder for 2 decades.
i was involved in a number of jc.
some i dealt with are good friends now.
Closed:- O.P "Apostates" How honest are we?"
The Rebel: (A) If an " apostate" is guilty of making dishonest and ingenious revelations about the W.T, the comments whilst maybe sensational and fictitious are not consigned to the utmost secrecy of J.C hearings.
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apologies if someone else has posted this before: .
http://vaticanenquirer.com/canadas-mormons-and-jehovahs-witnesses-brawl-trying-to-get-to-refugees-first/.
sorry, meant to say "fighting erupts" ... my bad.
This article was sourced from the " VaticanEnquier"
VaticanEnquier : - "The Obama administration is cracking down on the food industry forcing it to eliminate fat in foods over the next few months"
VaticanEnquier :- " Scientific study revels that homosexuality is Extremely Contagious"
So with respect to the O.P,s ".....WTF?" I say don't belief all the " WTF" you read.
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